Will, do you have a decklist? I'm curious how many flashback cards you ran, because they would seem to be bad cards to draw, but not having enough makes later speculations week.
From his review Zvi seems to think quiet speculation is broken in extended and type 2 and possibly in type one. It didn’t seem so bad to me, but I built a deck to test it out. It’s basically a counter oath deck, with 3 speculations 4 deep analysis and 2 roar of the worm. I also added some forbids as a way to chuck useless speculations and get rid of the flashback cards if they get stuck in my hand.
General Findings:
1 Speculation interacts well with sylvan, shuffling effects are your friend.
2 Flashback makes forbid not suck.
3 Speculation seems good but by no means broken.
In the game below, Its pretty clear that speculation won me the game. Flashback cards coming from the graveyard drew out 2 counter spells from soso, drew me 4 cards, and gave me the 6/6 monster that eventually won.
00:17:12 - HT is requesting a new game.
00:17:12 - soso has a 15 card sideboard
00:17:12 - soso has a 60 card deck.
00:17:12 - HT has a 0 card sideboard
00:17:12 - HT has a 60 card deck.
00:17:12 - HT's life is now 20. (+16)
00:17:17 - HT rolled a 4, using a 20 sided die.
00:17:30 - soso is shuffling library...
00:17:32 - soso rolled a 15, using a 20 sided die.
00:17:33 - HT is shuffling library...
00:17:35 - soso says:'p'
00:17:38 - HT says:'ok'
00:17:38 - soso drew 7 cards.
00:17:41 - soso says:'kp'
00:17:41 - HT drew 7 cards.
00:17:46 - HT says:'kp'
00:17:48 - soso plays Swamp.
00:17:48 - Swamp is tapped.
00:17:49 - soso plays Duress.
00:17:57 - soso is looking through HT's hand...
00:18:12 - HT plays Mox Ruby.
00:18:13 - soso stops looking through HT's hand.
00:18:15 - soso buries Duress.
00:18:15 - HT buries Mox Ruby.
00:18:16 - It is now turn 2.
00:18:16 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:18:19 - HT draws a card.
00:18:24 - HT plays Island.
00:18:25 - It is now turn 3.
00:18:25 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:18:27 - Swamp is untapped.
00:18:27 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:18:28 - soso draws a card.
00:18:29 - soso plays Island.
00:18:30 - Swamp is tapped.
00:18:32 - soso plays Duress.
00:18:36 - soso is looking through HT's hand...
00:18:45 - HT plays Forbid.
00:18:47 - soso stops looking through HT's hand.
00:18:48 - HT buries Forbid.
00:18:48 - soso buries Duress.
00:18:49 - It is now turn 4.
00:18:50 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:18:52 - HT draws a card.
00:18:57 - HT plays Yavimaya Coast.
00:18:57 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:18:58 - Island is tapped.
00:18:59 - HT's life is now 19. (-1)
00:19:04 - HT plays Sylvan Library.
00:19:05 - soso says:'k'
00:19:07 - It is now turn 5.
00:19:07 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:19:08 - Swamp is untapped.
00:19:08 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:19:09 - soso draws a card.
00:19:10 - soso plays Mox Pearl.
00:19:11 - Swamp is tapped.
00:19:12 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
00:19:13 - soso plays Demonic Tutor.
00:19:15 - soso says:'k?'
00:19:17 - HT says:'ok'
00:19:19 - soso is looking through library...
00:19:22 - soso moves a card from soso's library to soso's hand.
00:19:23 - soso is shuffling library...
00:19:24 - soso stops looking through library.
00:19:25 - soso buries Demonic Tutor.
00:19:25 - Island is tapped.
00:19:27 - soso plays Ancestral Recall.
00:19:28 - soso says:'k?'
00:19:28 - HT says:'ok'
00:19:30 - soso draws a card.
00:19:31 - soso draws a card.
00:19:31 - soso draws a card.
00:19:33 - soso buries Ancestral Recall.
00:19:42 - soso plays Underground Sea.
00:19:43 - It is now turn 6.
00:19:44 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:19:46 - Island is untapped.
00:19:46 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:19:50 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:19:56 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:20:02 - HT plays Tropical Island.
00:20:03 - Tropical Island is tapped.
00:20:04 - Island is tapped.
00:20:05 - HT plays Time Walk.
00:20:07 - soso says:'k'
00:20:08 - HT buries Time Walk.
00:20:09 - Island is untapped.
00:20:09 - Tropical Island is untapped.
00:20:13 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:20:24 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:20:27 - HT plays Yavimaya Coast.
00:20:28 - Island is tapped.
00:20:29 - Island is untapped.
00:20:29 - Tropical Island is tapped.
00:20:30 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:20:32 - HT plays Quiet Speculation.
00:20:39 - soso says:'k'
00:20:41 - HT buries Quiet Speculation.
00:20:43 - HT is looking through library...
00:20:47 - HT moves Deep Analysis from HT's library to tabletop.
00:20:51 - HT moves Deep Analysis from HT's library to tabletop.
00:20:57 - HT moves Deep Analysis from HT's library to tabletop.
00:20:58 - HT is shuffling library...
00:20:58 - HT stops looking through library.
00:21:01 - HT buries Deep Analysis.
00:21:01 - HT buries Deep Analysis.
00:21:01 - HT buries Deep Analysis.
00:21:04 - It is now turn 7.
00:21:04 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:21:08 - Swamp is untapped.
00:21:08 - Island is untapped.
00:21:08 - Mox Pearl is untapped.
00:21:08 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:21:09 - soso draws a card.
00:21:11 - soso plays Wasteland.
00:21:12 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
00:21:14 - soso plays Sol Ring.
00:21:18 - It is now turn 8.
00:21:18 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:21:20 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:21:20 - Tropical Island is untapped.
00:21:26 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:21:33 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:21:37 - HT plays Island.
00:21:37 - Island is tapped.
00:21:38 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:21:40 - HT's life is now 18. (-1)
00:21:40 - HT's life is now 17. (-1)
00:21:40 - HT's life is now 16. (-1)
00:21:43 - HT moves Deep Analysis from HT's graveyard to tabletop.
00:21:44 - soso says:'k'
00:21:46 - HT removes Deep Analysis from the game.
00:21:47 - HT draws a card.
00:21:47 - HT draws a card.
00:21:50 - It is now turn 9.
00:21:50 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:21:54 - Mox Pearl is untapped.
00:21:54 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:21:55 - soso draws a card.
00:21:56 - soso plays Mox Ruby.
00:21:58 - It is now turn 10.
00:21:58 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:22:00 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:22:00 - Island is untapped.
00:22:03 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:22:20 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:22:24 - HT plays Wasteland.
00:22:25 - Tropical Island is tapped.
00:22:27 - Wasteland is tapped.
00:22:31 - HT plays Gaea's Blessing.
00:22:34 - soso says:'k'
00:22:43 - HT says:'ruby time wlak and forbid'
00:22:45 - HT buries Gaea's Blessing.
00:22:48 - HT moves Mox Ruby to HT's library.
00:22:50 - HT moves Time Walk to HT's library.
00:22:52 - HT moves Forbid to HT's library.
00:22:55 - HT is shuffling library...
00:22:55 - HT is shuffling library...
00:22:56 - HT draws a card.
00:22:57 - It is now turn 11.
00:22:57 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:23:02 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:23:02 - soso draws a card.
00:23:04 - It is now turn 12.
00:23:04 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:23:07 - Tropical Island is untapped.
00:23:07 - Wasteland is untapped.
00:23:10 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:23:15 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:23:19 - HT plays Island.
00:23:21 - Tropical Island is tapped.
00:23:23 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:23:27 - HT moves Deep Analysis from HT's graveyard to tabletop.
00:23:29 - HT's life is now 15. (-1)
00:23:29 - HT's life is now 14. (-1)
00:23:29 - HT's life is now 13. (-1)
00:23:30 - Island is tapped.
00:23:31 - Underground Sea is tapped.
00:23:33 - soso plays Mana Drain.
00:23:35 - Island is tapped.
00:23:36 - Island is tapped.
00:23:43 - Island is untapped.
00:23:44 - Island is untapped.
00:23:45 - HT says:'k'
00:23:48 - HT removes Deep Analysis from the game.
00:23:49 - Mana Drain now has 4 counters. (+4)
00:24:06 - Island is tapped.
00:24:07 - Wasteland is tapped.
00:24:08 - HT's life is now 12. (-1)
00:24:09 - HT's life is now 11. (-1)
00:24:09 - HT's life is now 10. (-1)
00:24:11 - HT moves Deep Analysis from HT's graveyard to tabletop.
00:24:13 - soso says:'k'
00:24:15 - HT removes Deep Analysis from the game.
00:24:16 - HT draws a card.
00:24:16 - HT draws a card.
00:24:21 - It is now turn 13.
00:24:21 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:24:25 - Island is untapped.
00:24:25 - Underground Sea is untapped.
00:24:26 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:24:26 - soso draws a card.
00:24:34 - Swamp is tapped.
00:24:35 - Island is tapped.
00:24:36 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
00:24:36 - Underground Sea is tapped.
00:24:37 - Sol Ring is tapped.
00:24:38 - Mox Ruby is tapped.
00:24:40 - Wasteland is tapped.
00:24:44 - soso buries Mana Drain.
00:24:47 - soso plays Stroke of Genius.
00:24:49 - Island is tapped.
00:24:49 - soso says:'for 9'
00:24:50 - Island is tapped.
00:24:52 - HT plays Counterspell.
00:24:53 - soso plays Force of Will.
00:24:56 - soso moves Recoil from soso's hand to soso's removed from game pile.
00:24:56 - soso's life is now 19. (-1)
00:25:00 - HT plays Force of Will.
00:25:03 - HT removes Deep Analysis from the game.
00:25:03 - HT's life is now 9. (-1)
00:25:06 - soso buries Stroke of Genius.
00:25:06 - soso buries Force of Will.
00:25:10 - HT buries Counterspell.
00:25:10 - HT buries Force of Will.
00:25:11 - It is now turn 14.
00:25:12 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:25:15 - Island is untapped.
00:25:15 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:25:15 - Tropical Island is untapped.
00:25:15 - Island is untapped.
00:25:15 - Wasteland is untapped.
00:25:15 - Island is untapped.
00:25:18 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:25:22 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:25:37 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:25:39 - HT's life is now 8. (-1)
00:25:39 - HT's life is now 7. (-1)
00:25:39 - HT's life is now 6. (-1)
00:25:40 - HT's life is now 5. (-1)
00:25:42 - HT plays Island.
00:25:43 - Tropical Island is tapped.
00:25:44 - Island is tapped.
00:25:45 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:25:46 - Wasteland is tapped.
00:25:47 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:25:49 - HT plays Morphling.
00:25:51 - soso says:'k'
00:25:53 - It is now turn 15.
00:25:53 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:25:56 - Swamp is untapped.
00:25:57 - Island is untapped.
00:25:57 - Mox Pearl is untapped.
00:25:57 - Underground Sea is untapped.
00:25:57 - Wasteland is untapped.
00:25:57 - Sol Ring is untapped.
00:25:57 - Mox Ruby is untapped.
00:25:57 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:25:58 - soso draws a card.
00:26:00 - soso plays Mox Emerald.
00:26:09 - HT buries Tropical Island.
00:26:10 - soso buries Wasteland.
00:26:12 - Swamp is tapped.
00:26:13 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
00:26:14 - soso plays Diabolic Edict.
00:26:16 - Island is tapped.
00:26:17 - Island is tapped.
00:26:18 - Island is tapped.
00:26:20 - HT plays Forbid.
00:26:22 - HT plays Gaea's Blessing.
00:26:23 - HT plays Oath of Druids.
00:26:24 - HT buries Oath of Druids.
00:26:25 - soso buries Diabolic Edict.
00:26:25 - HT buries Gaea's Blessing.
00:26:26 - HT moves Forbid from tabletop to HT's hand.
00:26:29 - Underground Sea is tapped.
00:26:32 - Underground Sea is untapped.
00:26:32 - Underground Sea is tapped.
00:26:33 - Sol Ring is tapped.
00:26:35 - soso plays Yawgmoth's Will.
00:26:40 - soso moves Wasteland from soso's graveyard to tabletop.
00:26:41 - Island is tapped.
00:26:42 - HT says:'k'
00:26:44 - soso moves Ancestral Recall from soso's graveyard to tabletop.
00:26:46 - soso draws a card.
00:26:47 - soso draws a card.
00:26:47 - soso draws a card.
00:26:51 - soso removes Ancestral Recall from the game.
00:27:09 - soso removes Yawgmoth's Will from the game.
00:27:10 - It is now turn 16.
00:27:11 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:27:12 - Island is untapped.
00:27:12 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:27:12 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:27:12 - Island is untapped.
00:27:12 - Wasteland is untapped.
00:27:12 - Island is untapped.
00:27:12 - Island is untapped.
00:27:18 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:27:24 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:27:33 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:27:34 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:27:37 - Morphling is tapped.
00:27:37 - Morphling is attacking.
00:27:38 - soso's life is now 18. (-1)
00:27:39 - soso's life is now 17. (-1)
00:27:39 - soso's life is now 16. (-1)
00:27:39 - soso's life is now 15. (-1)
00:27:39 - soso's life is now 14. (-1)
00:27:42 - It is now turn 17.
00:27:42 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:27:45 - Swamp is untapped.
00:27:45 - Island is untapped.
00:27:45 - Mox Pearl is untapped.
00:27:45 - Underground Sea is untapped.
00:27:45 - Sol Ring is untapped.
00:27:45 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:27:46 - soso draws a card.
00:27:48 - soso plays Underground Sea.
00:27:49 - Swamp is tapped.
00:27:52 - soso plays Duress.
00:27:59 - soso is looking through HT's hand...
00:28:09 - HT plays Forbid.
00:28:09 - soso stops looking through HT's hand.
00:28:11 - soso buries Duress.
00:28:11 - HT buries Forbid.
00:28:16 - Island is tapped.
00:28:17 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
00:28:18 - soso plays Merchant Scroll.
00:28:20 - soso says:'?'
00:28:29 - HT says:'ok'
00:28:35 - soso is looking through library...
00:28:39 - soso moves Fact or Fiction from soso's library to tabletop.
00:28:40 - soso is shuffling library...
00:28:41 - soso stops looking through library.
00:28:42 - soso moves Fact or Fiction from tabletop to soso's hand.
00:28:43 - soso buries Merchant Scroll.
00:28:44 - It is now turn 18.
00:28:45 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:28:48 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:28:48 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:28:48 - Morphling is untapped.
00:28:51 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:29:12 - HT rearranges cards in HT's library.
00:29:13 - HT rearranges cards in HT's library.
00:29:15 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:29:19 - HT plays Strip Mine.
00:29:20 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:29:21 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:29:23 - Morphling is tapped.
00:29:23 - Morphling is attacking.
00:29:27 - soso's life is now 13. (-1)
00:29:28 - soso's life is now 12. (-1)
00:29:28 - soso's life is now 11. (-1)
00:29:28 - soso's life is now 10. (-1)
00:29:28 - soso's life is now 9. (-1)
00:29:34 - It is now turn 19.
00:29:34 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:29:38 - Underground Sea is tapped.
00:29:39 - Mox Emerald is tapped.
00:29:40 - Sol Ring is tapped.
00:29:42 - soso plays Fact or Fiction.
00:29:43 - soso says:'?'
00:29:48 - Island is tapped.
00:29:48 - Strip Mine is tapped.
00:29:57 - Island is tapped.
00:29:58 - Wasteland is tapped.
00:29:58 - Island is tapped.
00:30:00 - HT plays Force of Will.
00:30:04 - soso buries Fact or Fiction.
00:30:06 - HT buries Force of Will.
00:30:09 - Swamp is untapped.
00:30:09 - Island is untapped.
00:30:09 - Mox Pearl is untapped.
00:30:09 - Sol Ring is untapped.
00:30:09 - Mox Emerald is untapped.
00:30:10 - Underground Sea is untapped.
00:30:10 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:30:11 - soso draws a card.
00:30:13 - Island is tapped.
00:30:15 - Underground Sea is tapped.
00:30:16 - Sol Ring is tapped.
00:30:17 - Mox Ruby is tapped.
00:30:17 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
00:30:19 - soso plays Morphling.
00:30:20 - Mox Pearl is untapped.
00:30:24 - It is now turn 20.
00:30:25 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:30:27 - Island is untapped.
00:30:27 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:30:27 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:30:27 - Island is untapped.
00:30:27 - Wasteland is untapped.
00:30:27 - Island is untapped.
00:30:27 - Morphling is untapped.
00:30:27 - Strip Mine is untapped.
00:30:32 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:30:38 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:30:40 - Island is tapped.
00:30:43 - HT plays Ancestral Recall.
00:30:45 - HT says:'me'
00:30:55 - soso says:'k'
00:30:56 - HT buries Ancestral Recall.
00:30:57 - HT draws a card.
00:30:57 - HT draws a card.
00:30:58 - HT draws a card.
00:31:01 - Island is tapped.
00:31:02 - Wasteland is tapped.
00:31:04 - HT plays Quiet Speculation.
00:31:11 - soso says:'k'
00:31:12 - HT buries Quiet Speculation.
00:31:14 - HT is looking through library...
00:31:18 - HT moves Roar of the Wurm from HT's library to tabletop.
00:31:20 - HT moves Roar of the Wurm from HT's library to tabletop.
00:31:31 - HT is shuffling library...
00:31:31 - HT stops looking through library.
00:31:33 - HT buries Roar of the Wurm.
00:31:35 - HT buries Roar of the Wurm.
00:31:47 - It is now turn 21.
00:31:47 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:32:14 - Island is untapped.
00:32:15 - Underground Sea is untapped.
00:32:15 - Sol Ring is untapped.
00:32:15 - Mox Ruby is untapped.
00:32:15 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:32:15 - soso draws a card.
00:32:21 - soso plays Swamp.
00:32:24 - It is now turn 22.
00:32:24 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:32:26 - Island is untapped.
00:32:26 - Wasteland is untapped.
00:32:26 - Island is untapped.
00:32:29 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:32:33 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:32:40 - HT plays Island.
00:32:56 - It is now turn 23.
00:32:56 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:32:59 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:32:59 - soso draws a card.
00:33:01 - It is now turn 24.
00:33:01 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:33:06 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:33:12 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:33:15 - HT plays Island.
00:33:32 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:33:33 - HT's life is now 4. (-1)
00:33:34 - Wasteland is tapped.
00:33:35 - Island is tapped.
00:33:36 - Strip Mine is tapped.
00:33:40 - HT moves Roar of the Wurm from HT's graveyard to tabletop.
00:33:42 - Island is tapped.
00:33:43 - Underground Sea is tapped.
00:33:45 - soso plays Mana Drain.
00:34:07 - HT says:'ok'
00:34:08 - Mana Drain now has 7 counters. (+7)
00:34:10 - HT removes Roar of the Wurm from the game.
00:34:17 - It is now turn 25.
00:34:17 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:34:20 - Island is untapped.
00:34:20 - Underground Sea is untapped.
00:34:21 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:34:21 - soso draws a card.
00:35:02 - soso says:'morphling 0/10'
00:35:05 - soso buries Mana Drain.
00:35:07 - Morphling is tapped.
00:35:08 - Morphling is attacking.
00:35:08 - HT says:'ok'
00:35:19 - HT says:'block'
00:35:22 - Sol Ring is tapped.
00:35:25 - Mox Ruby is tapped.
00:35:26 - Mox Emerald is tapped.
00:35:28 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
00:35:29 - Swamp is tapped.
00:35:30 - Swamp is tapped.
00:35:32 - Wasteland is tapped.
00:35:37 - Underground Sea is tapped.
00:35:48 - soso says:'9/1'
00:36:00 - HT says:'in repsonse'
00:36:04 - Island is tapped.
00:36:05 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:36:11 - HT says:'5/1'
00:36:15 - HT says:'block'
00:36:18 - soso buries Morphling.
00:36:20 - HT buries Morphling.
00:36:23 - It is now turn 26.
00:36:23 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:36:25 - Island is untapped.
00:36:25 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:36:25 - Yavimaya Coast is untapped.
00:36:25 - Wasteland is untapped.
00:36:25 - Strip Mine is untapped.
00:36:25 - Island is untapped.
00:36:32 - HT is looking through top 3 cards of library...
00:36:37 - HT moves a card from HT's library to HT's hand.
00:36:45 - HT plays Mox Pearl.
00:36:46 - Wasteland is tapped.
00:36:50 - soso buries Underground Sea.
00:36:51 - HT buries Wasteland.
00:36:56 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:36:57 - Island is tapped.
00:36:57 - Island is tapped.
00:36:59 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
00:36:59 - HT's life is now 3. (-1)
00:37:06 - HT moves Roar of the Wurm from HT's graveyard to tabletop.
00:37:06 - soso says:'k'
00:37:08 - HT removes Roar of the Wurm from the game.
00:37:18 - HT creates new card: roar.
00:37:18 - HT moves roar from limbo to HT's hand.
00:37:20 - HT plays roar.
00:37:22 - It is now turn 27.
00:37:22 - It is now the Untap Phase.
00:37:24 - Swamp is untapped.
00:37:25 - Mox Pearl is untapped.
00:37:25 - Sol Ring is untapped.
00:37:25 - Mox Ruby is untapped.
00:37:25 - Mox Emerald is untapped.
00:37:25 - Wasteland is untapped.
00:37:25 - Underground Sea is untapped.
00:37:25 - Swamp is untapped.
00:37:25 - It is now the Draw Phase.
00:37:26 - soso draws a card.
00:37:28 - soso plays Underground Sea.
00:37:39 - Island is tapped.
00:37:40 - Underground Sea is tapped.
00:37:42 - Sol Ring is tapped.
00:37:43 - Mox Ruby is tapped.
00:37:43 - Mox Emerald is tapped.
00:37:45 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
00:37:48 - Swamp is tapped.
00:37:50 - Wasteland is tapped.
00:37:53 - Swamp is tapped.
00:37:54 - soso plays Braingeyser.
00:37:56 - Island is tapped.
00:37:58 - Strip Mine is tapped.
00:37:59 - Island is tapped.
00:38:00 - Island is tapped.
00:38:01 - Yavimaya Coast is tapped.
00:38:02 - HT plays Force of Will.
00:38:04 - soso buries Braingeyser.
00:38:06 - HT buries Force of Will.
00:38:06 - soso says:'gg'
00:38:09 - HT says:'gg'
The thing is though, that I think if I had been playing blue black in stead of blue green, had I resolved a yawg will instead of the speculation, the yawg will would have won the game just as nicely. Although, yawg will is restricted and speculation is not.
Conclusion: Not broken, but needs further testing to see how good the deck is.
What is "Quiet Speculation"?
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Razor
Quiet Speculation 1U
Sorcery
Search target player's library for up to three cards with flashback and put them in that player's graveyard. Shuffle etc...
Are there any Flashback enchantments? Maybe this could replace Attunement in Replenish?
how would it effect replenish?
The enchantments that make replenish work are not flashback
-Freddie
Quote:00:35:02 - soso says:'morphling 0/10'
00:35:48 - soso says:'9/1'
btw, you can't pump morphling's toughness to 10, then power to 9it becomes -7/10, not a 0/10
Carl
mmm...double-post
Will, do you have a decklist? I'm curious how many flashback cards you ran, because they would seem to be bad cards to draw, but not having enough makes later speculations week.
Counters
4 Force of Will
4 Counterspell
3 Forbid (also gives a way to ditch flashback cards or excess speculations)
Oath engine (didn’t really come up in game as the plan against control is for me to be the beat down. I’d probably side these out for more counters and another speculation)
2 Gaea's Blessing
1 Morphling
1 Spike Weaver
4 Oath of Druids
Drawing
2 Sylvan Library
4 Deep Analysis
1 Ancestral Recall
Tricks
1 Time Walk
2 Quiet Speculation
3 Roar of the Wurm
Mana
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
2 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria
11 Island
4 Yavimaya Coast
4 Tropical Island
Where's FoF?
how would this card effect replenish?
The enchantments that make replenish work are not flashback
-Freddie
oh, good point CooberP. Fof needs to go in there. I threw the deck together quickly to test quiet specualtion so I missed some important cards, like fof.
I have built a QS deck as well that we are currently testing. It is not quite the same as yours. First, Oath and Blessing have poor symetry with QS. We ditched them very early on. Also you need at least two copies of Brainstorm in the deck. They get the flashback cards back where they belong. Our build uses two morph, two Roar and four CotH in it. We found it needed to be a bit more aggro and the CotH helped a lot.
For counters we use only FoW and Drains but Forbid is a possibility - never thought of it. I think I would only use one copy though.
Cards I notice that are missing - Regrowth and Tutors (both Merchant Scroll and Mystical Tutor come to mind).
For a list of our test decks go here...
http://forums.mtgnews.com/showthread.php?s=b963018122977d589bd8c7579ec42f5d&threadid=74991
Bebe, I think I'll test your build (as well as work on mine since I need to find space for several cards), but I think several of your objections are flawed.
"First, Oath and Blessing have poor symmetry with QS. "
If you use them both that’s true. But I think in any given match you're only going to really want one. Against agro all you need to do to win is cast oath and smile. You don't want to DA since that burns you and makes you easier to burn out, you don't want to Call or Roar since that stops you from oathing. Against control you don’t want oath on the board since you plan to go agro with roars. So, since you are probably only using one of your engines in any given match they won’t conflict.
Although this does raise the dead cards problem. My answer to this is forbid, it turns every 2 dead cards into one counter spell, and incidentally lets you put flashback cards you draw in the graveyard without the 2 card combo of brainstorm and QS. I think that the finalized build of this deck will probably side out the oath engine v control and possibly the QS engine against agro. Although, it may turn out that the better plan is to presideboard one way and then swap engines after game one if you face the other kind of deck.
“. Also you need at least two copies of Brainstorm in the deck. They get the flashback cards back where they belong”
As I mentioned above, I think forbid is a slightly stronger choice, since it works on its own and accomplishes a powerful effect, countering a spell at the same time. And then after doing its job dumping cards it comes back to counter 1 more spell.
“Cards I notice that are missing - Regrowth and Tutors (both Merchant Scroll and Mystical Tutor come to mind).”
You are just right here. There really is no excuse for not having those cards. The trick is finding things to cut. I may move the oath engine to the side, which would give me room, but that will probably weaken me v agro.
Bebe, I think I'll test your build (as well as work on mine since I need to find space for several cards), but I think several of your objections are flawed.
"First, Oath and Blessing have poor symmetry with QS. "
If you use them both that’s true. But I think in any given match you're only going to really want one. Against agro all you need to do to win is cast oath and smile. You don't want to DA since that burns you and makes you easier to burn out, you don't want to Call or Roar since that stops you from oathing. Against control you don’t want oath on the board since you plan to go agro with roars. So, since you are probably only using one of your engines in any given match they won’t conflict.
Although this does raise the dead cards problem. My answer to this is forbid, it turns every 2 dead cards into one counter spell, and incidentally lets you put flashback cards you draw in the graveyard without the 2 card combo of brainstorm and QS. I think that the finalized build of this deck will probably side out the oath engine v control and possibly the QS engine against agro. Although, it may turn out that the better plan is to presideboard one way and then swap engines after game one if you face the other kind of deck.
“. Also you need at least two copies of Brainstorm in the deck. They get the flashback cards back where they belong”
As I mentioned above, I think forbid is a slightly stronger choice, since it works on its own and accomplishes a powerful effect, countering a spell at the same time. And then after doing its job dumping cards it comes back to counter 1 more spell.
“Cards I notice that are missing - Regrowth and Tutors (both Merchant Scroll and Mystical Tutor come to mind).”
You are just right here. There really is no excuse for not having those cards. The trick is finding things to cut. I may move the oath engine to the side, which would give me room, but that will probably weaken me v agro.
I thought about adding the Oath Engine to the side as well. Without the blessings it might work well - three Oath - one Feeder makes sense.
Forbid costs three mana - Brainstorm one mana.
You don't always have a card you want to ditch to the Forbid and Brainstorm is always useful.
Forbid is a counter. Counters are good.
I will stick to one Forbid for a Mana Drain in my build.
Now, I need to find room for three Oath and a Spike Feeder in my sideboard - I like the idea... just remove QS and one Roar and you're set... I do have some issues with Aggro for sure although second turn Calls and third turn Roars are pretty damn good an Oathed Morph is better.
E-mail me with your test results...
BTW, your list does have both Gaeas and Oath...
And Brainstorm is, IMHO, much better with Oath on the table which you will be siding in often.
my new side:
SB: 3 Tranquil Domain - various combo decks
SB: 4 Compost - sui - remove DA
SB: 3 Oath - vs. aggro - 3 QS
SB: 4 Gainsay - damn control decks
SB: Masticore - vs aggro
I'll just remove the QS as Oath works better vs. aggro and the deck is solid otherwise.