Okay, I have confirmation that the list Soso sent is close. Brian sent me the following list:
Type I "The Deck"....NOT The Keeper :P
Non-Mana Producers
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4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
1 Misdirection
1 Zuran Orb
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Fireball
1 Jayemdae Tome
1 Disenchant
1 Morphling
1 Merchant Scroll
2 Gorilla Shaman
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mind Twist
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Regrowth
1 Balance
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Braingeyser
1 Stroke of Genius
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
Mana Producers
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4 Tundra
4 Volcanic Island
3 Underground Sea
4 City of Brass
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria
5 Moxes
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
Sideboard
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2 COP: Red
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Moat
1 Mana Short
3 Red Elemental Blast
1 Disenchant
2 Dwarven Miner
2 Gorilla Shamn
1 Mirror Universe
Mis-D, Braingeyser and Merchant Scroll replaced 3 Fact or Fiction. The rest of it is what I posted in Part IV of my Control Player's Bible, though Pyroblast became Red Elemental Blast after Brian discovered Misdirection through Pat Chapin and Mikey Pustilnik.
A lot of the selections are really what Brian likes to play with in casual card store environments, but he feels he has enough to duke it out in more "competitive" places. That seems to explain why he has two separate decklists.
Basically, all the criticisms in the first archive are accurate, but the reasons Brian has are as well. Put it down to a metagame difference; mono blue doesn't even exist in his world.
So while I've agreed and disagreed with criticisms, I'm sure they can all be civil... ;)
Rakso: In an earlier post, you said that what Weissman advocated was winning with 4 Wasteland, Miners, Shamen - his mana denial strategy.
I still don't see why 4 Shamen and only 2 Miners is logical, since you'd think if he was playing a lot of "mirrors" he'd want more Miners for a more punishing lock.
Is it true that he plays against Tubbies all day?
If mono-U doesn't exist in his world (ah, that sounds nice 
), that makes 4 Shamen even more confusing. I wouldn't wanna topdeck a Shaman with 3 already in play...
Well, that looks much more reasonable. I'm still worried about not having The Abyss or Moat. If Keeper (or the Deck, take your pick) is all about gaining card advantage over the opponent, isn't it unwise to trade 1-1 with your opponent's creatures?
Superman: Miners have summoning sickness. He doesn't play against Tubbies. Shaman can be devastating in the mirror.
Tracer: Abyss, I have no idea.
No, there really is no reason to play 4 Shaman.
Rakso, can't you ask him exactly why he decided Abyss didn't make the cut? If he's playing in a casual store envirionment I'd think Abyss is even stronger.
--Matt
I am, and that's exactly what I told him about Abyss.
About Shaman, well, it's strong if his metagame consists of Pat Chapin and Mikey Pustilnik I guess.
Hey he told YOU to go play him in between rounds of the Pro Tour. ;)
Der Peria play against Tubbies all day long, not Brian Weissman.
Off Topic(not totally)
There is this kid in KC whom plays type 1 every week, his name is Kevin Green, he has been on the pro tour, his version of the deck is quite interesting, and I think it would be most excellent if you all new of it. Also Matt Place has helped me in the Gorilla Shaman and Dwarven Miner dispute. Believe me it works wonders in mirror matches. Well here is Kevin's Deck.
1 Balance
1 Zuran Orb
4 Lightning bolts
1 Gorilla Shamans
1 Morphling
1 Fireball
2 Dismantling Blows
1 Mind Twist
4 Impulse
1 Jayemdaye Tome
1 Ancestrial Recall
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Timetwister
1 Regrowth
1 Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Misdirection
4 Mana Drains
4 Force of Wills
5 Moxes
1 Lotus
1 Sol Ring
2 Plateu
4 Tundra
4 Volcanic Island
4 City of Brass
3 Wastelands
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Tolarian Academy
Sideboard is fit to meet Metagame
He has destroyed many types of decks with this deck, He has won so many tournaments with it I am sure he gets tired of winning. To say the least, the 4 impulses around KC has a legendary position in type 1. I also have played tested the deck a lot online and can proudly say I have yet to lose with it, it is just that damn good. Well thats all from me, your typical pro player, Later people.
Controll UU
Hm. That last deck is interesting, but it seems pretty land-light. How does it not get consistently land-hosed by other decks running four or five strips and a monkey?
It seems solid except for the mana, I guess, but the mana is important!
>>>Der Peria play against Tubbies all day long, not Brian Weissman.
I thought De Peria said he played against Stompy with Blastoderms and WW.
>>>He has destroyed many types of decks with this deck, He has won so many tournaments with it I am sure he gets tired of winning
Wow, after seeing that, Weissman's deck looks like pure gold. I don't mean to be rude (okay, I did, but it was meant humourously, not maliciously), but this deck is so out of date it's not even funny. Bolts? WTF? I'm guessing this is a holdover from the era when highest life total won the match when time was called?
No Yawgwill, but you deem Recall necessary? FoF? Stroke?
--Matt
P.S. Rakso, next time the PT hits NYC I'll look up Weissman. I will look foward to playing some Keeper mirror, but I'm also going to bring Stompy, Suicide Black, and maybe Forbiddian (if I can stand playing it) for him because half of my point was that the mana denial approach doesn't work against any popular deck of modern type I EXCEPT Keeper.
I am at loss to figure out why yawg. will is so good in control based decks, and why no twister is played in weisman main deck, but then I suppose I am outdated, can someone help me?
Also I would like to state that yes..the deck is outdated, I just thought I would throw it at yall.
the deck does well btw..I have played it many O times.
I was at a GP when I came across Matt Place, the best player in KC for a long time, he told me of the Weismann deck and then the 4 mystical tutors, god I miss those days, the deck was awesome and even then 2 gorilla's and a miner was played main deck!
Well looking at the history of Weisman I am very perplexed at his new version of his deck, but not at all open minded, mind you, I think it take some explaining to me to help me understand the mechanics of it, and how does on a whole vs the current metat game. Any help would be appreciated greatfully.
ControlUU: You get to go 'Replay all the Moxen you've offed, Ancestral, Time Walk, Replay Morphling, next turn.' Will is the single most broken card in a Keeper deck, because it effectively allows you to reuse all of those ridiculous cards over again.
One could swear that last deck is just CounterBurn with tons of splashes.. heh ;)
Quote:Well looking at the history of Weisman I am very perplexed at his new version of his deck, but not at all open minded, mind you, I think it take some explaining to me to help me understand the mechanics of it, and how does on a whole vs the current metat game. Any help would be appreciated greatfully.
Matt, you seem to be one of Ophidians biggest supporters(which seems odd to me) as you have stated in another post that you beleive it is Tier 1. Could you please explain why you think its THAT good and maybe post what you would play.
Well... it draws cards for 3 mana, which is better than other things FoF restriction left behind...
It goes crazy on you if left alone and it's done so for a long time.
Quote:am at loss to figure out why yawg. will is so good in control based decks
@Fever Dog: I was one of Ophidian's biggest detractors when FoF came out, but now, yeah he's god again. He can be dropped fast with Moxen and is basically a LoA with feet. I think Meridian' list from the ToC is pretty good. I just wouldn't play Disk maindeck, although I think he expected (rightfully) a lot of Oath.
@ControlUU: Give Yawgwill a try. It's basically Regrowth on everything. Hell, it even works well with those Bolts. It's just much better than Recall which is dead if you topdeck it with no cards in hand.
Honestly though, the Bolts are a little wierd. I guess it really punishes Ritual/Negator and still kills Ophidian and Jugs (unlike Fire/Ice), and you might nail someone who let there life total dwindle with city/sylvan/drain burn/fow, but well...I'd just hate to draw them early in a control mirror.
--Matt
Does it really matter what we think of his deck? I've piloted some pretty damn wierd piles to decent wins in my day on spins and tricks alone (one example being NoseGoblins.dec, my kobold build)
Controll UU:
Where did you get this deck list for Greene's deck?
I think that you are really off, or perhaps this is over a year old?
I play in the KC area, and His decklist is more like keven Hunt's then that.
PS do you frequent the sat and sunday tourneys at the 2 casche locations here?
Perhaps I've seen you around?
I think he plays something more alon these lines:
1 Balance
1 Zuran Orb
2 Lightning bolts
1 Gorilla Shamans
2 Morphling
2 Disenchant
1 Mind Twist
4 Impulse
1 Jayemdaye Tome
1 Ancestrial Recall
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Timetwister
1 Regrowth
1 Time Walk
1 Misdirection
4 Mana Drains
3 Force of Wills
1 The Abyss
1 Wheele of Fortune
2 counterspell
5 Moxes
1 Lotus
1 Sol Ring
3 Island
4 Tundra
4 Volcanic Island
4 City of Brass
3 Wastelands
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria
um, how off topic can i make this post to keep it at the top, ands get Controll UU to see it?
ummm... Gostbusters II is on tv...
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BEWARE.
Lord Azmodan, esq.
Off topic enforcer extrordinaire
UM. OK.
Azmodel. Go away. Stop flaming these boards with your posts. You are ten million times worse than Legend and Negator ever were. Rakso, delete that post immeidiately.
Stephen Menendian
No post for you
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YOU. HAVE. INCURRED. MY. IRE.
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Lord Azmodan, esq.
Mentor of Weissman, Chapin and Fuller
lol, you so crazy
Is this a joke or what's going on? I thought Azmodan was site banned. Seriously, someone deal with this. I've complained about this for over a year now. Get rid of this guy.
Stephen Menendian
Azmodan site-banned? I thought we voted him mascot. He's certainly always been my favorite poster (so long as it's limited... he did cross a line during the Legend flame war).